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2024-11-25 standup notes.md
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Attendees: Gheorghe, Richard, Valentin, Ronny, Nicolas, Björn
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Not attending: Koen & Robert (travelling), Kevin (day off)
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* Bjorn set up some data structures in the internal Wiki
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* Valentin:
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* Met Eli from Thymis & Johannes from Clan. Discussed the three system architectures with them.
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* NixOps took some time for them to make it click. Now I know a bit better what we can learn from them, and if and on what we can collaborate. Overlap might be rather small with those projects.
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* We need to think about how to convey the power of NixOps in such a way that people understand this properly -- it's at a very high level of abstraction (essentially an IO monad for the Nix language), while people typically think in terms of their concrete use cases.
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* That gap requires some storytelling and didactic techniques to bridge.
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* Will work on a report & publish it on the website to communicate
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* Valentin & Bjorn will have a chat tomorrow after standup
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* Gheorghe:
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* Shared the UML info last Friday
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* Will work on the financials & get the numbers
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* Diagram code wants to add a PR
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* Update the numbers
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* Nicolas:
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* Wiki e-mail: we need to have a secrets management solution.
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* No test for PeerTube yet. So I started working on it. Probably finished today
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* Ronny:
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* Will have a look at Gheorghe's PR.
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* Richard:
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* Will ask Kevin about his work & check if I can help out
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* Looking for stuff to work on
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* Nicholas opened up the wiki registration so each team member can create their own account today.
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* Nicholas: Make Forgejo send out notifications (Nicholas will do this).
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# fediversity design meeting 2025-03-12
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present: slik (thijs, tiemon) + procolix (lois, kevin, kiara)
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- thijs: what is the project called and who does what?
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- thijs: how do you see front-end dev for this?
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- kiara: we don't need you to do an implementation using some front-end framework - just the design will do.
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- thijs: what will be the concrete deliverable then for the demo?
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- kiara: if for fediforum we do not have the design implemented yet that is acceptable.
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- thijs: maybe we will make it in time.
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- tiemon: sounds ambitious.
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- thijs: should we deliver code or would an interactive design do?
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- kiara: an interactive design will do.
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- kiara: could this handle animations too?
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- tiemon: yes.
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- thijs: could you explain some terminology here like fediverse, protagio, providers, panel?
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- kevin: *explains*
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- thijs: which applications will you do, and how do these get added?
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- kiara: mastodon, pixelfed and peertube at least.
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- kevin: *explains about fediversity sub-grants*
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- thijs: who will select what applications get added then?
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- kiara: formally the Open Internet Discourse Foundation.
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- thijs: are there set criteria for this? are these political decisions?
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- kiara: fediversity is open-source, tho as maintainers we will eventually need to make decisions take into account our capacity given the maintenance work involved.
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- thijs: how might hosts, users, workspaces and accounts relate?
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- kiara: we will offer SSO across applications.
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- thijs: what if people say use this from both professional as well as other roles? can they then have workspaces representing their accounts at different hosts?
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- kiara: i envision the web client as agnostic to orchestration capabilities, so a client application logged in to accounts at different hosts thru e.g. workspaces could technically be possible, tho i would not see this as significantly affecting our design currently.
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- thijs: how about a host admin panel to e.g. restrict offered applications? or for hosts' accountants?
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- kiara: hosts consist of sysadmins, so a config file may currently suffice for them as a user interface.
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- kevin: hosts also already have their own client-facing front-ends.
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- thijs: cli for now, so for the design focus on the operator panel? ok.
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- thijs: *asking about terminology*
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- *kevin + kiara explain*
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- thijs: do you want to offer a federated UX?
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- kevin: the deployed applications federate already.
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- thijs: applications tend to offer support buttons. who is in charge of offering this support, operators, hosts or you?
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- kiara: the operator, afaik.
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- kevin: we might direct users to the application manuals.
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- thijs: will fedipanel come with a knowledge base aimed at the operators?
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- kiara: we could link to a static one deployed from our end.
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- kevin: probably better to include this in the panel deployment.
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- thijs: sure, let me know.
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- thijs: we can show what we had so far in design program figma.
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- tiemon: you can navigate and interact with the designs, and they can generate html as well.
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- thijs: we like to work with job stories, so not just user stories like 'as a ...' but also including 'so that ...'.
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- kiara: great, so do we.
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- thijs: we can show some UIs we like for reference.
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- thijs: you won't offer file management from the panel, right?
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- kevin: correct.
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- kiara: fyi our deployment is somewhat big-bang still, rather than say configure mastodon -> deploy -> configure pixelfed -> deploy - we can not yet enqueue such syncs.
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- thijs: where can we find your application?
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- kevin: the code is at <https://git.fediversity.eu>, but we also have a recent demo video.
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- tiemon: we saw that one, yeah.
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- thijs: here is a wireframe so we can align on the chrome (= UI parts that are always there).
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- kiara: we do not yet have workspaces, but multiple deployments per user could become an option.
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- thijs: how about an admin interface to manage users?
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- kiara: we will have to go thru hosts' SSO because of billing.
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- kevin: yes this will go thru LDAP.
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- thijs: how about showing stats about e.g. numbers of mastodon users?
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- kiara: applications should already handle stuff specific to them, so we don't plan to do this.
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- thijs: how about application settings (generic vs application-specific)?
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- kiara: generic ones will apply to say configure VM resources or sub-domains, tho otherwise most should be application-specific.
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- thijs: no auto-scaling?
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- kiara: not for now.
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- thijs: how about a billing interface?
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- kevin: hosts would use their existing ones.
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- tiemon: how is pricing determined then?
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- kiara: hosts may set this based on the usage info we will provide.
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- thijs:
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- font: manrope?
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- kiara: looks pretty.
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- icon sets, selected by open-source / pretty / ...:
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- [iconoir](https://iconoir.com/)?
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- [phosphor](https://phosphoricons.com/)?
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- kevin+lois+kiara: this one looks prettier.
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**Standup:** 2025-03-04 @09:30
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**Present:** Bjorn, George, Ronny, Kevin, Lois, Valentin, Kiara, Robert
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**Absent:** Nicholas (known), Hans (known), Koen (known)
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* Bjorn
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* Yesterday: no Fediversity.
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* Today: Catch up
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* Ronny
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* Yesterday no Fediversity
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* no blockers no updates
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* Gheorghe
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* No blockers
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* Yesterday: Internal specific PM activities
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* Today: Internal specific PM activities
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* Eric
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* No blockers
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* No updates
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* Kiara
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* Yesterday: Form PR. Unblock front & backend so triggering with NixOps will work.
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* Today: continue with this
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* Loïs
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* No blockers
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* No updates
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* will continue work with Kevin and Kiara on the django
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* Kevin
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* No updates
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* will continue work with lois and kiara on the django
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* Valentin
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* Clarified things we need from NixOps4 for the MVP and mid/long term with Robert and Kiara
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* Summary: a bit of JSON logging for now, but eventually we'll serve OpenTelemetry in the Panel for capturing fine-grained progress indication
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* Hacked out a sketch for managing versioned configuration schemas
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* Code reviews
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* Robert
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* Worked on OpenTelemetry logging
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* No blockers
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**Standup:** 2025-03-05 @09:30
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**Present:** Bjorn, Eric, Gheorghe, Koen, Lois, Valentin, Kevin
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**Absent:** Nicholas (known), Hans (known), Ronny (known), Kiara (Nix gathering)
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* Bjorn
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* Yesterday: other obligations :(
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* Today:
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* Q: How is the work on deliverable 3 going? Demo on Monday 10th...
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* Eric
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* No blockers, no updates
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* Gheorghe
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* No blockers
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* Testerday: Internal PM activities
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* Today: Internal PM activities
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* Loïs
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* Looked at Kiara's feedback for fedipanel
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* No blockers
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* Koen
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* Spoke with Thijs and Timo and Kiara
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* I would like a general 'how to check an application' before sending it to NixPkgs discussion (not now).
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* Remy (EU thing)
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* Valentin
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* Pingponged code with Kiara yesterday, should merge basic handling versioned configurations today
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* Available for consultation and code review
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* Kevin
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* worked on the django yesterday resolving some comments from valentin in our pr
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* schedule for today is pretty full so probaly wont get much done for fediverse
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* Robert
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* No updates
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**Standup:** 2025-03-06 @09:30
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**Present:** Bjorn, Eric, Gheorghe, Koen, Lois, Ronny, Valentin
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**Absent:** Nicholas (known), Hans (known), Kiara (known)
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* Gheorghe
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* No blockers
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* Yesterday: Internal PM activities + starting the central document for the Tweag back-end Nix creation.
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* Today: Internal PM activities + continuing the central document for the Tweag back-end Nix creation.
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* Koen
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* no blockers
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* no updates
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* Valentin
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* Discussed steps for demo preparation with Bjorn, Kevin, Lois
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* Continued tying up the data models in the backend
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* Reviewed the deliverables document Gheorghe prepared
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* Reviewed Robert's "modular services" PR
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* https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/372170/
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* Bjorn
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* Yesterday: spoke with Ronny, Valentin & with Kevin & Lois about the demo
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* Today: will speak with Koen.
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* TODO: will remove the old board
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* Loïs
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* Blockers: Needing a review on pr 141
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* Worked on MVP 2 preperation
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* Worked with Valentin and Kevin on versioned configurations
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* Today: Prepare further for demo 2
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* Eric
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* no blockers
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* available
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* Kevin
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* blocked on needing a review on the pr 141
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* Yesterday, met with loïs and Valentin to look at versioned configurations
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* also had a meeting with loïs, valentin and Bjorn for the mvp 2 next tuesday
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* This morning had a discusion with Loïs to prepare for the next demo
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* Ronny
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* Had a chat with Bjorn about structure
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* Preparing the partnermeeting on Friday
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**Standup:** 2025-03-07 @09:30
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**Present:** Bjorn, Gheorghe
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* Gheorghe
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* No blockers.
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* Yesterday: Internal project meetings and actions. Meet Erik and discussed more details about the documentation.
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* Today: Internal project meetings and actions.
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* Bjorn
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* Yesterday:
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* chat with Koen
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* cleanup Meta repo
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* Today:
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* partner status meetup
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* add daily standup notes to repo
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**Standup:** 2025-03-10 @09:30
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**Present:** Björn, Hans, Gheorghe, Ronny, Robert
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**Absent:** Koen (known), Kevin (known) Lois (known), Valetin (known), Nicolas (known)
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* Björn
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* Friday:
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* Partners meeting
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* Standup (no more on Friday)
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* Today
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* Chat with Kiara?
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* Mail partners
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* Gheorghe
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* No blockers
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* Friday: Internal PM activities
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* Today: Internal PM activities
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* Hans (welcome back!)
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* planning to work on other projects than Fediversity
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* Robert
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* Did some prep work for improving flakes integration
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* Will not attend most standups until 27th (see wiki)
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* Will be available at Matrix for questions
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* Ronny
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* No blockers
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* No updates
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* Need to reschedule partnermeeting
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* Looking forward to demo tomorrow
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**Standup:** 2025-03-11 @09:30
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**Present:** Bjorn, Kevin, Koen, Kiara, Gheorghe, Lois, Eric, Ronny
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**Absent:** Hans (known), Valentin(known), Nicolas(known)
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* Bjorn
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* Yesterday: partners mail
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* Today:
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* Demo
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* Going through planning
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* Chat with Kiara
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* Koen
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* fighting windmills (nix and debian). Start with learning the app on the OS it supports, than look at things like Nix.
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* Kevin
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* no updates:
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* today: doing the demo with lois en kiara
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* Kiara
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* Past days: Planet Nix
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* Today: continue triggering orchestration from panel, get back up to speed, maybe discuss roadmap
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* Gheorghe
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* No blockers
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* Yesterday: Internal PM activities
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* Today: Internal PM activities
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* Loïs
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* Today: Demo 2, discuss whats next
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* Past days: prepared for demo 2
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* Eric
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* No blockers, available
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* Ronny
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* No blockers
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* Looking forward to demo
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* Robert
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* no updates and now traveling listening in but noisy environment
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Standup: 2025-03-12 @09:30
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Present: Björn, Kiara, Eric, Kevin, Lois
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Absent: Koen (known), Gheorghe(known), Nicolas(known), Robert(known), Valentin(known), Ronny(known)
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Updates:
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* Kiara:
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* Yesterday: paired on nixops from django with Lois
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* Today: ^
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* Bjorn
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* Yesterday: Demo & meetings
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* Today: going through work packages / deliverables & other obligations
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* Eric
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* available
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* Loïs
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* Yesterday: Demo 2, made a connection between panel and Nixops
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* Continue working on the panel today
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* Kevin
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* Yesterday: Demo 2 & after discussion
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* small talk a with koen about my availability
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