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# 'Secret(s)' meeting
**Date:** 2024-12-10
**Present:** Ronny, Koen, Eric, Richard, Gheorghe, Kevin, Valentin, Robert, Bjorn, Nicolas
## Goal of this meeting
Decide on how we want to deal with secrets, e.g. passwords for systems.
## Expected end result
At the end of this meeting we have a decision on how to continue with secrets
## Preparations
Please read this:
https://git.fediversity.eu/Fediversity/meta/src/branch/main/secrets-management.md
## Decision made:
**For now we wil continue with Agenix & keep our options open. We will also ask the security professionals for a sanity check. NLNet offers support from Radically Open Security for this. Ask them for their input & look into the security options (MFA etc). Please include advice on this for NixOps as well.**
## Actions
@ronny will contact Radically Open Security (part of the NLNet offerings). This might take a few weeks as Ronny knows that ROS has a bit of backlog.
### Team members perspectives, thoughts & observations
* Koen
* Passbolt might be an option as well (https://www.passbolt.com).
* Vaultwarden is an api compatible reimplementation of Bitwarden.
* If fully automated: don't care, but if broken we need to be able to easily fix this
* Vaultwarden is now used at Procolix. Secrets are now handled manually.
* Vaultwarden maintenance is a PITA. Without docker it failed, using it now using Docker. Vaultwarden in Nix works, but still a blackbox. Need to get more info on the internals in case something breaks.
* Pref solution: doubting: upfront time investment is not a problem. Is API usage by the Nix developers an obstabcle? Barrier as low as possible.
* Choose something now, no multiple options.
* Nicolas
* agenix prefered when talking about Git type of solutions
* Big question: git vs application
* Pref solution: agenix one person setup, bootstrapping would be easier for me. Might need a bit more time to look into applications API's.
* Eric
* Secrets for systems & config have diff req vs those for users. One size fits all does not apply here.
* Pref solution: the solution with less moving parts.
* Offers insights into experiences he has
* Valentin
* Vaultwarden offers all the features we need.
* Passbolt needs to be researched to check for feature parity.
* Vaultwarden is already used by Procolix.
* Secrets application connects to NixOps via a resource provider
* Pref solution: application route.
* Domain experts have already thought about this.
* Gheorghe:
* Backup & restore should be taken into consideration as well. Test restoring with the solution you choose.
* Pref solution: keep eye on what to deliver. Nicholas has to deliver, so +1 with Nicolas.
* Other solution features need to be taken into account: e.g. MFA etc.
* Bjorn
* Using an application has the added benefit: users may use this as part of the services offered by Fediversity.
* Pref solution: what's the exit plan? Do we have an exit plan? Should check the docs for import/export for both solutions. An application would be my preference.
* Ronny
* Users usecase
* Sysadmin usecase
* Systems usecase
* TIL Agenix, interesting.
* Diff between users facing & systems
* Pref solution: for sysadmins/users: app like Vaultwarden & for inter systems git
* Robert
* In NixOps there's state incl secrets
* secrets could also be transferred to the secrets management tool
* NixOps can call an app to generate secrets. Resource providers can stored this.
* Pref solution: git based, because Robert is more adapted to git.
* Kevin
* Not so aquintainted with this topic
* If stuff fails it would be worthwhile to be able to access it.
* Pref solution: Vaultwarden. Api looks pretty good.
* Richard:
* Worked with Vaultwarden & Bitwarden. Not nec pref.
* Only experienced the UI side not the CLI side.
* Pref solution: open to both solutions