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+# Visual design meeting 2025-03-31
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+Present: {thijs,timon}@slik, {koen,kevin,kiara}@procolix
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+- thijs: updated the designs as per the last meeting, supporting workspaces, dark/light themes, (implied) usage graphs, future fediverse services, updated theme
+- koen: maybe categorize services using tags, e.g. fediverse, productivity, chat, video, microblogging
+- thijs: so allow filtering by this too?
+- koen: yes
+- kiara: i like the new design
+- koen: KDE's designs looks pretty, maybe also look at that
+- timon: *clicks mastodon install, leading to detail page*
+- koen: maybe allow batch selecting to install, as in current barebones technical implementation
+- koen: please add icons for more applications
+- timon: *showing preview page for mastodon*
+- koen: again, minimize needed clicks, e.g. using basic vs advanced install rather than 'install' vs 'manage', then allow users to maybe tweak after
+- thijs: then just do 'install' vs 'manage' as you probably don't want non-basic installs, so people can tweak after
+- koen: you should be able to just use them when installed, afterwards change 'install' button to like 'go to your instance'
+- koen: i like the detail page's log view, may end up long tho, so maybe add a 'show more' ellsion
+- timon: fleshed out the settings view, as well as a users list
+- thijs: the users list is more an example of a CRUD page, as you mentioned wanting to do SSO/LDAP before
+- koen: again, distinguish stuff everyone should see vs advanced settings we by default should not bother busy non-technical users with
+- thijs: you have not configured a domain yet, so cannot deploy mastodon yet - we should probably nag people on mandatory settings they have yet to set, also show progress bar for this
+- koen: start simple, then show everything when desired
+- thijs: different ways to not scare people off, not sure scaring people with advanced settings is the way, you could instead just show optional settings
+- koen: still sounds scary
+- thijs: otherwise may not notice what you can do with it
+- thijs: you may not know a user's role up-front
+- koen: start as basic user
+- thijs: sysadmins will feel confused tho
+- koen: maybe ask in the onboarding / sign-up what role you want
+- thijs: onboarding, what else?
+- thijs: we made sure to use only open-source fonts and icons
+- koen: i see some details we will not use: e.g. pricing plans ending in 99, pricing plans worded to sell rather than offer transparency (wording shown in design: 'perfect' without elaboration as to why), pricing that needs explaining so people can understand why they should not feel ripped off
+- kiara: isn't usage much more fungible?
+- koen: we should show those from the panel, but there are different ways to approach this as per an operator's business model
+- thijs: maybe hosts should get to choose how to approach this
+- koen: agree, companies will have limited resources and may prefer to not make things too granular, tho in larger set-ups one may need to be able to better justify how pricing scales
+- thijs: do we always want granular pricing?
+- koen: by default yes, if you don't want that, it's open-source so you can fork if you like
+- thijs: thanks - what else should we change for tomorrow?
+- koen: maybe add graphs over time on disk space and number of applications deployed
+- kiara: actually whether the background looks grey or white-ish for me depends on which monitor i view it on
+- thijs: ok let's make it a bit lighter still
+- koen: maybe also add user settings like advanced/novice, allow scrolling thru the app list, add an icon as per fediversity.eu (NGI - fediversity)
+- koen: from pic 'many branches of the fediverse' use: lemmy, bookwyrm, funkwhale, friendica, castopod, writefreely, matrix, owncast, peertube, forgejo, passbolt
+- kiara: this image already shows potential tags too
+- thijs: we'll try and add the configurable color themes too