nix-less bootstrap #332

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opened 2025-05-14 11:55:49 +02:00 by kiara · 3 comments

kiara commented

2025-05-14 11:55:49 +02:00

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As a host interested in using Fediversity,
I want to be able to use Fediversity given a Proxmox instance without needing to also install Nix,
so that I may be able to try Fediversity without having to install unfamiliar software.

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Fediversity has so far presumed Nix, building operator nixos configurations on the orchestrator rather than on the target or a builder. We could loosen Fediversity's install requirement to bootstrapping Fediversity both Nix and ProxmoX to being able to bootstrap from either of the two, in case of bootstrapping from ProxmoX perhaps relying on some base images to provide the builder (#366) and orchestrator.

c.f. #325 which is about installing ProxmoX from Nix, rather than Nix from ProxmoX.

**As** a host interested in using Fediversity, **I want** to be able to use Fediversity given a Proxmox instance without needing to also install Nix, **so that** I may be able to try Fediversity without having to install unfamiliar software. ## implementation notes Fediversity has so far presumed Nix, building operator nixos configurations on the orchestrator rather than on the target or a builder. We could loosen Fediversity's install requirement to bootstrapping Fediversity both Nix and ProxmoX to being able to bootstrap from either of the two, in case of bootstrapping from ProxmoX perhaps relying on some base images to provide the builder (#366) and orchestrator. c.f. #325 which is about installing ProxmoX [from Nix](https://github.com/NixOS-Pilots/nixos-proxmox), rather than Nix from ProxmoX.

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2025-05-14 11:56:02 +02:00

#289 key features improving user experience supported

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fricklerhandwerk commented

2025-05-14 16:16:27 +02:00

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We can always build a base image with Nix (and we do), the question is more what the user/hosting-provider experience is supposed to be. I think the issue description as is should be more like a comment on #325 to bend that user story to say something slightly different.

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2025-05-14 20:53:03 +02:00

#325 Reproducible proxmox installation

kiara commented

2025-05-14 20:59:41 +02:00

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I added the other ticket as a dependency here now, tho i think this ticket stems from a distinct need with distinct requirements, and as such may be better left off separated.

On intended experience, I think we have different stakeholders with different needs:

the open-source community that could expand on our work is likely more familiar with Nix - and to them #325 may suffice
web hosts, part of both our sustainability use-case as well as part of the portability value proposition, is likely more familiar with VM hypervisors such as Proxmox - so to them this ticket may help make setup easier

I added the other ticket as a dependency here now, tho i think this ticket stems from a distinct need with distinct requirements, and as such may be better left off separated. On intended experience, I think we have different stakeholders with different needs: - the open-source community that could expand on our work is likely more familiar with Nix - and to them #325 may suffice - web hosts, part of both our sustainability use-case as well as part of the portability value proposition, is likely more familiar with VM hypervisors such as Proxmox - so to them this ticket may help make setup easier

fricklerhandwerk commented

2025-05-15 11:33:19 +02:00

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Right, we can also have these two in sequence, because once we have a from-source bootstap we can cheaply produce images.

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#228 [D2.3] brought into production [2027-11-01]

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#289 key features improving user experience supported

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